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Post by ogeezer on Jul 30, 2007 7:57:49 GMT -6
Should USA open its gates with another throng of assylum-seeking citizens escaping tyrrany, especially when so many terrorists are training in Venezuela, learning to speak Spanish, so they can come to America with intent on doing harm to our citizens and the country? Shouldn't these people be scrutinized before they come here? Especially with Venezuela dictator Hugo "the thug" Chavez's close ties with Iran, who's president has sworn to destroy the USA?
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Post by CDuster on Aug 6, 2007 5:00:07 GMT -6
Doesn't it strike you odd.......That "insane" and "assylum" are two words that naturally seem to go together......................
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Post by ~WineMe~DineMe~69 on Aug 21, 2007 21:05:38 GMT -6
doesn't it strike you as weird everyone want's to come over here??? why lol
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Post by Sílený Jízda on Aug 21, 2007 21:24:09 GMT -6
I feel if they want to come over here they should fill the same mound of paperwork and pay the same mound of cash I had to in order to get my wife over here. No more, no less. Follow the damned law as it's written and ship every single one of the law breaking scum back across the river. They managed to do it with the activist they can do it with the other. We have a few army cargo planes sitting around I'm sure.
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Post by ~WineMe~DineMe~69 on Aug 21, 2007 21:29:06 GMT -6
there you go, get it out SJ. now doesn't that feel better? ? lol
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Post by ogeezer on Aug 22, 2007 7:59:00 GMT -6
I'm with you, SJ. Furthermore, I think the U.S needs to adopt the same immigration policy that Mexico has toward immigrants crossing its borders, illegals and even those who do it legally to become future naturalized citizens. That'd dissuade a lot of them from coming here, since by doing so, no matter if illegal alien or legal naturalized citizen, they'd never have the same rights and priveldges natural born American citizens enjoy.
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Post by Sílený Jízda on Aug 22, 2007 8:37:11 GMT -6
there you go, get it out SJ. now doesn't that feel better? ? lol I've always thought that. Ready for a shocker? The wife backs me 100% and has the same views. If it's good enough for her it's good enough for everyone else. She gets almost as mad if not madder every time some nutjob starts talking about, "well just pardon them and give them citizenship." It's not right for all the others that actually went through the system. If anything if they plan on handing out citizenships in this country it should be to those that got here legally FIRST.
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Post by ogeezer on Aug 22, 2007 9:11:59 GMT -6
Mexico’s constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States. The Mexican Constitution states that: - Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse (see Note #1).
- Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights (see Note #2).
- Immigrants are denied equal employment rights (see Note #3).
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens (see Note #4).
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy or the armed forces.
- Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities (see Note #5).
- Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process (see Note #6).
Note #1 -- The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.” Article 33 is unambiguous: “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” Note #2 -- The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to foreigners. If foreigners wish to have certain property rights, they must renounce the protection of their own governments or risk confiscation. Foreigners are forbidden to own land in Mexico within 100 kilometers of land borders or within 50 kilometers of the coast. Article 27 states, “Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country.” (Emphasis added) Note #3 -- The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to immigrants, even legal ones, in the public sector. Article 32: “Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.” Note #4 -- The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized. Article 32 bans foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico from serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports: “In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia. It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of practique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic.” An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born citizens risk no such loss. Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95). The president of Mexico, like the president of the United States, constitutionally must be a citizen by birth, but Article 82 of the Mexican constitution mandates that the president’s parents also be Mexican-born citizens, thus according secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants. Note #5 -- The Mexican constitution provides the right of private individuals to make citizen’s arrests. Article 16 states, “in cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.” Therefore, the Mexican constitution appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. Note #6 -- The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, “the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.”
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Post by ~WineMe~DineMe~69 on Aug 22, 2007 14:42:25 GMT -6
yep it's a bunch of BS when they think it should just be handed to them but handouts seem to be the norm with just about everything these day's. it's just bullsh1t plain and simple
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