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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 7, 2007 12:05:48 GMT -6
unless I read the wrong books earlier in life, wasn't Islam spread by massive armies of breaded guys armed with Swords and Spears? didn't they make the people they conquered an offer they couldn't refuse? Something like, "accept Islam as your faith or we will slit your throat or behead you?" "also we'll seize your livestock and goods and your daughters and wives who are still doable, the undoables sold as slaves?" "no matter how ugly or repulsive you are.. the women you want have to do you.." "join our army and share the loot.. and the girls" "no wine, no beer.. but all the coffee and hash and tang of poon you like..." "and do what your Holy Man tells you and you go to Paradise.. even murdering women and children and innocent men..."
on the Crusaders.. they just took back what the Muslims had taken.. all Muslims are liars..
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 7, 2007 13:03:56 GMT -6
Muslim Names for the Porkers! Good Show, What! Wish Quannel had a web site you could send him a pic of his namesake... Or make a Yahoo or MySpace for his porkness with pics of all the other little muslims... so that whenever someone googles Quannel X .. a picture of the piggy will show up...
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Post by scheherrazade on Dec 7, 2007 22:22:32 GMT -6
The Koran is not the only book that is violent. The King James has its fair share.
Genesis 6 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Genesis 19 God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; "The LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire." 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
Exodus 9 9:14 For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth. 9:15 For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth. 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
Leviticus 1 1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 24 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death
Numbers 1 1:51 And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Deuteronomy 7 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: 7:20 Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed.
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 8, 2007 7:15:00 GMT -6
Got your message loud and clear scheherrazade.. same as Rosie O'Donnell's.. today's Christians and Jews are just as bad as the Islamic Jihadists.. Next time a bomb blows up a school bus in Israel, or a market square in Karachi, let's check out the Jewish and Christian Zealots first...they're just as likely the ones that did it..
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Post by Isabo on Dec 8, 2007 13:42:20 GMT -6
The point is that religion inspires hate, war and seperation of peoples and always has. Naturally if you're predisposed toward one religious cult you see the others as worse then the one you're involved in. Not brain surgery.
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Post by yippee on Dec 8, 2007 15:14:29 GMT -6
All your scriptures quoted old testament which are not in affect now as they were in the mosiacal dispensation.
we are under the laws of the new testament -in the Christian dispensation.
the new testament doesn't condone what you have cited.
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Post by Isabo on Dec 8, 2007 16:28:27 GMT -6
So we can rip that part of the Bible out and just chunk it in the ash bin? The Old Testament serves no purpose? And you are sure, beyond any reasonable doubt that the passages quoted from the Koran aren't of the same antiquated ilk?
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Post by yippee on Dec 8, 2007 16:51:56 GMT -6
So we can rip that part of the Bible out and just chunk it in the ash bin? The Old Testament serves no purpose? nope ;D imo - it serves as a reference tool.
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 8, 2007 17:03:08 GMT -6
you can cut the bullsh1t anytime you feel like... you don't have to be a Mensa Member to know what radical Islam is doing world wide... Click this and find me some place where Baptists and Hindu's are blowing up women and children that aren't being used as shields by good Allah Fearing Muslims... www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
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Post by Isabo on Dec 8, 2007 17:12:45 GMT -6
I agree that Islam is the radical, violent religion de'jour. It isn't realistic to place all religious attrocities over time at their doorstep. That burden has to be shared by a number of religious sects. Christian religions being at or near the head of the pack.
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 8, 2007 17:29:26 GMT -6
You sound like Rosie O... Do you have any recent instances of Atrocities Christians or Jews or Hindu's or Buddhists have committed on other Religions in the last 4 or 5 hundred years.. Don't even mention the Holocaust, the Jews were killed by Pagan Nazi's... not Christians...
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Post by yippee on Dec 8, 2007 18:37:21 GMT -6
isabo you made this quote - The God I worship - in the movie thread ....
my question to you is - what is your God?
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Post by scheherrazade on Dec 8, 2007 22:19:19 GMT -6
Sorry, did not know the old testement didn't count anymore. I vaguely remember in Matthew Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill"
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (5:29-30) "Pluck it out. Cut it off." Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. What the Bible says about amputation 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Mark Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. 7:9-10 (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21)
Luke John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17 In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
I agree the Christians are not as radical and violent as the Islamic people currently are, but do not blame it on the religion or the Koran. There are just as many loving and pacific scriptures in the Koran as in the KJV Bible. There are peaceful Muslims same as there are peaceful Christians. Violence done in the name of religion is mostly done by a partial number of those sects that put such things in the public eye.
You want something more recent? Salem Witch trials, 300 yrs ago. Klu Klux Klan have made several claims to Christianity and are still active today. David Koresh and Jim Jones both claimed to be Christian. How about the abortion clinic bombings done by so called Christians or the burning of Black Churches. Recent enough for you? I do not hold all violent actions done by Christians against every Christian. Nor do I hold the Islamic bombings against all Muslims. Every religion has its fanatics.
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 9, 2007 6:11:37 GMT -6
Bogus! If the Klu Klux Klan was still active today there'd be no Al Sharpton, no Jesse Jackson, no Louis Farrakhan, and they'd still be talking about what they found remaining of Quannel X. and all those nooses they're "finding" would have a black neck in them... forget the Klan.., the Clinic Bombings were done by certified nuts, idiots, just like the cult members that followed Jim Jones and David Koresh... not your sane people... but when questioned in polls, A LARGE percentage (25%) of young AMERICAN Muslims said suicide bombing of innocent men, women, and children were justifable... ClickMeAllah Akbaar indeed..
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Post by Isabo on Dec 9, 2007 9:40:57 GMT -6
WRONG the KKK is still active today. My X relatives are members and very active. The clinic bombings were done by people that participated in abortion clinic sit-downs w/my sister and her children. Groups of sitters comprised from area churches in Alabama and Georgia.
Young muslims are being brainwashed to think that there's glory in sacrificing themselves, no doubt about that AND IT'S WRONG WRONG WRONG. Children of radical religious sects in the US and around the world are being brainwashed to believe that men are more important to God then women, that there's one way to heaven and that all nonChristians are going to hell. Business as usual be it 500 years ago or 2000 years ago.
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Post by scheherrazade on Dec 10, 2007 7:01:14 GMT -6
I'll agree with you. Jones, Koresh and other various Christian bombers were certified nuts as were the thousand or more people who died along with or because of. But what makes them any different than your muslim radicals? Innocent people are still dead. I'm sure if the KKK or the Catholics had the technology a hundred or a few hundred years ago the death toll for them would be just as high. So Islam is a few hundred years behind us. You can't blame all Christians or call them crazy because Jim Jones talked 9 hundred of them into suicide and you can't blame All muslims because a handful of charismatic leaders convinced some to be suicide bombers. Neither the Bible or the Koran were intended to be the tools of hate men have used them for. All leaders use whatever tools they have available to get their troops to follow their ideas. Hitler used the idea of a utopia and a superior race. Most leaders know its much easier to get people to follow when you involve their religion.
I remember when I first moved to Wharton there was a big football rivalry between Wharton and El Campo. I had a lady tell me that all the people from El Campo were snobs. In the years since then I have met some snobs from El Campo, but I've also met some wonderful people that I am honoured to call friend. If I had let that seed grow I would have missed out. Leadears know just what seeds to plant in peoples minds and unfortunately the seeds of hatred take root faster.
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Post by revkag on Dec 10, 2007 7:26:34 GMT -6
Well said!
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 10, 2007 11:27:46 GMT -6
Jihadist targets bus full of schoolchildren Feel the love. "Suicide bomber rams bus; children hurt," by Simon Gardner and Augustine Anthony for Reuters (thanks to all who sent this in):
A SUICIDE bomber rammed a car packed with explosives into a schoolbus near an air force base in northwest Pakistan today, killing himself and wounding about nine people, including several children. "A terrorist targeted a schoolchildren's bus," said military spokesman Major-General Waheed Arshad.
"The driver and the guard who were sitting in the front have been seriously injured".
"Because of the timely reaction of the driver, the children were saved. Only about six or seven children were injured," he added.
"It was outside the Kamra air base. It was specially targetting the schoolchildren's bus."
I'll bet it was done by the Baptists.. or the Klan.. or the Evil Neo-Con's..
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Post by stumpy on Dec 10, 2007 16:22:04 GMT -6
Don - the most recent violence between religions that were both on the Christian level was the violence in Ireland. I do remember that the Catholics and Protestants got after each other pretty good for a while until they both decided the English made better targets. There were some school bombings and church killings during this rivolt.
PS: Mohammed, my pig, is doing fine. Thanks for asking.
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 10, 2007 16:43:37 GMT -6
I'm well aware of the Irish Problems, but that's small beans compared to scale of what the Muslims have been up to since the pedophile Mohammed invented his religion...
(Good to hear that Mohammed is "Akbaar"... give him an apple)
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 10, 2007 16:55:32 GMT -6
www.thereligionofpeace.com/you might want to add this to your faves, check out the Number of People Killed in Islamic attacks since 9-11. (sorry I don't have the Count of Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists murdering Muslims for you people defendig radical Islam... maybe in another life...)
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Post by stumpy on Dec 11, 2007 8:41:39 GMT -6
I read this recent article about the Crisis Hotline. Seems a man that was quite depressed called in for some guidance and his call was answered by someone in Pakistan. (Isn't that the case now?) When he described his condition and was asked if he felt suicidal, the man said maybe. Then the person with the Crisis Hotline asked if he could drive a bus. Do you think they were looking for some suicidial drivers?
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 11, 2007 9:33:14 GMT -6
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Post by DirtyDon on Dec 12, 2007 8:34:49 GMT -6
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Post by stumpy on Dec 22, 2007 9:24:04 GMT -6
"The religion of Hate"? Good! I hate them too!
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